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Tempers stay in check, concern over proposed development builds

March 26, 2014

COLUMBIANA — City residents turned out en masse Tuesday to give council their opinions of the latest new development planned for the former Lakefront Golf Course, and most were shocked and largely......

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TheSenceMaker

Mar-29-14 9:26 AM

I found it very disturbing how folks label a group. Hard working men and women both, who might not have manicured nails were put into a group of drug users and sex crazed animals. To me it's the white collar crimes that are sometimes more offensive mistreating of employees, unsafe working conditions, inflated prices on the services and the crap they sell. There's an old saying that I love " True Power Rest Behind the Thrown ".. Rush Limbaugh had a drug problem and is a hypocrite but many of you drool over him 5 days a week. Church leaders have been in the news over the past few years, according to some peoples way of thinking who were at the meeting, they are all guilty of sex acts. So a quick message to the Nouveau Riche out there who's mother and dad's hard work before made it possible for you to drive a Benz or a Lexus ( as you quote the Constitution ) and look thru Prada glasses, lets not have a double standard. There by the grace of god goes I. That line isn't just for

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coalmaster

Mar-28-14 3:04 AM

I know where you're coming from longgone71. Have family in the oil and gas fields. One is an engineer and one on a survey crew. Most of time they are lucky cause they are first on site and get first pick on housings. At times they have had to sleep in their trucks out with the gators snakes wolves and whatnot. Big worry for us. So the more hotels the better. After 12,16 hour days all they look forward to is coming home, not causing trouble for anyone.

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Mojo2969

Mar-26-14 9:47 PM

Coal master, I think you are right. I know if I was looking to put a business in place, I would look elsewhere after seeing and here what has gone on here.

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coalmaster

Mar-26-14 5:59 PM

Columbiana has probably mised.out on a chance to have Chesapeake,Halicorp, BP, etc.to help with the infrastructure here as they did in the southern part of the county with the roads and bridges.

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tytytee

Mar-26-14 5:55 PM

CitizensUnite - I've learned over the years that when a person has no leg to stand on in a discussion they resolve to putting words in their debate partner's mouth. No I am not saying the council has no obligation to allow buildings to fall into disrepair. You are not listening. The planning commission is responsible for the oversight of new business, correct? As such, the planning commission and various laws will prevent an eyesore and mancamp from entering Columbiana. Columbiana has no need to add another layer of government by way of an architectural committee. That is the job of the planning commission. Additionally, for discussion sake, lets say new ordinances are put in place creating new building standards. Any building in place at the time of the reading of the new ordinance(s) will be grandfathered thus making your point about existing buildings up and down Rt 14 moot.

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CitizensUnite

Mar-26-14 4:51 PM

Tytytee- as I have said before, the current ordinances read by Atty Blaisdell are out of date and open to too much interpretation. Our current ordinances leave too many decisions up to a group of people appointed by council who have no background or experience in the industry. Are you saying that because these buildings are old we don't have a responsibility to make sure they are kept up? We should let them continue to be an embarrassment to our town?

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rockyroad

Mar-26-14 4:24 PM

What I have heard about the plans that this is a green hotel with 3to4 windmills to generate power and the sewage will be processed to a mulch like material to sale locally. Sounds promising for a new era of building.

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tytytee

Mar-26-14 4:00 PM

CitizensUnite - there you go allowing your emotions get the best of your argument. Have you not listened to the Columbiana attorney? Have you discussed the ordinances with the planning commission? Are you aware that a lot of the buildings on 14 were erected prior to becoming part of Columbiana? The planning commission has the authority to turn down proposed plans and will not allow an eyesore to go up.

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CitizensUnite

Mar-26-14 3:28 PM

To think that laws and ordinances do not need to be updated after 40 years is ignorant. The eyesores up and down route 14 are a perfect example of why we need tighter restrictions. Clearly our planning commission has failed us on many occasions. The ordinances in place leave too much room for interpretation. I have lived all over the country and have never seen such blatant disrespect for elected officials. The way this town treats anyone with an original thought or idea is disgusting. I am ashamed to say I voted for some of the council members that clearly have their own agenda that doesn't include the protection of their citizens.

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tytytee

Mar-26-14 3:05 PM

CitizensUnite - Columbiana does not need a review board to protect your or Columbiana's interests. Columbiana already has governmental infrastructure in place to protect the very interests to which you are referring. They're called a planning commission and local/county/ and state laws. All of these will protect you and the city from a mancamp. As for the funding, you and I agree, let the developer fund this project. Back to the review board for a second. This is a scheme by Blakeman to kowtow to whichever way the political wind is blowing so Blakeman can gain more control of the council. It is obvious that Blakeman is currently nothing more than a mere figurehead as the mayor. He has limited power, which we all should be thankful. Otherwise Blakeman would be running roughshod over the entire city, making laws on whim at the behest of his Firestone whinny neighbors.

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CitizensUnite

Mar-26-14 2:41 PM

* Without even a discussion, they voted unanimously to table it indefinitely*

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CitizensUnite

Mar-26-14 2:39 PM

table it indefinitely. That is disturbing on so many levels. The bottom line is this... we don't know what is being planned for the old golf course because no design plans have been submitted. And, it doesn't even matter what their plan is. This project raised questions that need to be answered. In this day and age when we are living in an area consumed by gas and oil drilling, do we have the necessary precautions in place to protect us from crew housing developments? Do we want to live with these developments in our back yard? If the proposed plan is not a "man camp"...GREAT! Then these developers should SUPPORT our efforts to help protect THEIR investments.

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CitizensUnite

Mar-26-14 2:35 PM

I was at the meeting last night and have reviewed the video of the last council meeting several times. Council was asked on March 18 to give a "vote of confidence" to this project that they claim to not have known anything about prior to receiving the packet 5 minutes before the meeting. The unanimously voted YES. Did they vote to approve the TIF? No. Did they give their blessing to move forward with the project with the confidence that a TIF is a viable option? YES When this property was annexed in to Columbiana, it was documented that the purchaser of this land would be required to install the lift station for sanitary sewer. What has changed? Why should we defer their taxes to pay for a system they can clearly afford to put in on their own? And why would we give a tax deferment on one of the most valuable pieces of land in Columbiana? Last night, council was asked to give a "vote of confidence" to their constituents that are asking for protection. Without even

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tytytee

Mar-26-14 12:44 PM

So much for Blakeman being conservative. He's a liberal in disguise wanting to regulate and increase the size of government by asking for an review board. The planning commission already has standards in place and makes decisions regarding these matters. Blakeman is trying to make another power play. Another layer of oversight is a waste and will only create paralysis by analysis. Blakeman is fake. He's playing to the crowd and has zero standards.

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Concernedmother

Mar-26-14 11:58 AM

Pot calling the kettle black Bc I was there last night so know what you are talking about. It was a vote of confidence they gave regarding thr TIF. It was presented and asked for a vote ON THE SAME NIGHT. So what is the difference between that and what the mayor was asking council to do LAST NIGHT? He was asking for the same vote of confidence regarding an architectural review board...to look into it. I have done my OWN research and do know my facts. So please don't question that. Noone has told me how to think. Believe it or not, I can make my own educated opinion.

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Mojo2969

Mar-26-14 11:52 AM

Conceredmother, you should understand what you are talking about. Council DID NOT VOTE to approve a 1.8 mill tiff last week. They said they would support looking into it and that was it!!! You might need to re-watch the meeting to get your facts straight. Stop listening to what people are doing and do your research on what was discussed. If you had been at the meeting last night you would have heard that they will have to decide if they want to do a tif or not and they have a number of things to take into account before they would vote on that.

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Concernedmother

Mar-26-14 11:06 AM

That's pretty funny MrColumbiana because council was asked to vote on a TIF the same night a packet was presented ten minutes before a city council meeting. Why was it ok to give that a unanimous vote of a $1.8 million dollar TIF but not vote on something that won't cost the city a dollar but is only protecting or community? And Nuke, this request had nothing to do with your residential property but commercial properties being built Noone is going to tell you where you can park your car. Know what your speaking about.

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MrColumbiana

Mar-26-14 10:27 AM

The sad truth a outlast night was the abuse of power by the mayor. There was no need for another meeting when council meets for a regular meeting next week. For a mayor who proclaims to be for small government and a conservative, he continues to want to do things that contradict that statement. What was most amusing was the mayor wanted council to vote on something that they had no to think about or review prior to the meeting. One thing the current mayor complained about and commented on for 4 years while sitting on city council. Had the mayor been sincere with comments made while on council he would of suggested council take a week to think about and plan to vote at the regular city council meeting.

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longgone71

Mar-26-14 9:23 AM

These oil field men have better things to do with their time than stir up trouble in any city or town. Most of them make too much money to screw themselves out of their job. They're just people like the rest of us. People complain that they're gonna bring trouble, don't want them around kids...they don't give a dang about your kids..if you want to worry about them, how well do you know your neighbor? There's problems everywhere. I have yet to see columbiana build an eye sore. Again, my husband and his co workers are not animals, this is not going to be a man camp.

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rockyroad

Mar-26-14 8:24 AM

MoJo2969. You are so right. That truck stop is out by the 'good hotel of the east'. I would not blame the investors of the 'wicked hotel of the west' if they took all their jobs, their business, and all the money other businesses in town would get and move to Washingtonville or Leetonia or elsewhere.

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rockyroad

Mar-26-14 8:23 AM

MoJo2969. You are so right. That truck stop is out by the 'good hotel of the east'. I would not blame the investors of the 'wicked hotel of the west' if they took all their jobs, their business, and all the money other businesses in town would get and move to Washingtonville or Leetonia or elsewhere.

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carvelli241

Mar-26-14 7:48 AM

Cruiser: Grab that crooked husband of yours and scat back to Pittsburgh with your tails tucked. East Palestine doesn't want or need your kind, and you'd last a week in Columbiana and then they would kick your butts out. Towns nor villages can afford someone like you and your husband trying to run them, you run them into the ground with your scheming and unfinished projects. Pittsburgh is calling you back! GO

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Mojo2969

Mar-26-14 7:31 AM

Why would you expect council to vote on something last night specially after the City Atty. explained that we have had guidelines in place for 40 years. Look around our city, nothing has been built in 40 years that doesn't look nice! I for one am glad that our council didn't see the need to take action yesterday and will take some time to give this thought. I am shocked at how judgmental you people are in town. Maybe we need to look at the truck stop at 7&14 we all know that truck stops are known for prostitution! Maybe the next thing the Mayor suggest is a committee to interview those that want to move into town so we can make sure that we have the "kind" of people we want to live in our town. I believe that both Jeff Stoy and Mark Hutson would not do anything that would decrease property value in our town. People be open minded and don't start rumor's let the team present to planning and let's see what comes from it.

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Mojo2969

Mar-26-14 7:31 AM

Why would you expect council to vote on something last night specially after the City Atty. explained that we have had guidelines in place for 40 years. Look around our city, nothing has been built in 40 years that doesn't look nice! I for one am glad that our council didn't see the need to take action yesterday and will take some time to give this thought. I am shocked at how judgmental you people are in town. Maybe we need to look at the truck stop at 7&14 we all know that truck stops are known for prostitution! Maybe the next thing the Mayor suggest is a committee to interview those that want to move into town so we can make sure that we have the "kind" of people we want to live in our town. I believe that both Jeff Stoy and Mark Hutson would not do anything that would decrease property value in our town. People be open minded and don't start rumor's let the team present to planning and let's see what comes from it.

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nuke1964

Mar-26-14 7:10 AM

We do not need more regulations on private property. If I wanted to live with a homeowners association I would have bought into one. If I choose to park my car on the grass so be it. More Nanny state, next they will not allow garage doors to be open without you being inside, washing your car in the driveway.

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