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Emotions run high as development plans take shape

March 21, 2014

COLUMBIANA — A Columbiana family accusing a local attorney of presenting a proposed development to council as a facade were so angry Police Chief Tim Gladis called for backup after the Tuesday......

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Cruiser

Mar-24-14 4:13 PM

Well at least the truth comes out. Couple people go to city council meeting yelling because they are afraid their property value will go down. Sorry but no 5 star hotel will be built in columbiana for oil/gas workers. At least we know their real concerns now.

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longgone71

Mar-24-14 11:48 AM

These rigs are tempory but not 3 or 4 months temporary more of years upon years. I would honestly like to see a decent motel/hotel whatever built. My spouse is an oil worker and knowing he gets a great rest, shower ect when he's off duty is comforting. It's not a "man camp." My husbands not an animal. You want a man camp go to the Dakotas. Plenty of them there. I'm all for the development. Hate me if you want, I love my husband. That's all that matters.

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Concernedmother

Mar-24-14 7:38 AM

I think it's funny that you are allowed to be on here pushing your gas and oil agenda but someone isn't able to speak toward social needs. Not to even mention the issue of our property values being affected. As previously mentioned, most of you aren't even from Columbiana so maybe should abstain from having such a strong opinion as to what happens in our town.

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busmom

Mar-24-14 7:26 AM

Once again Jumbo, your "facts" are not quite factual. Again you show you don't know squat, about what I do (not a housewife) or about the gas industry. But you sure like to act like a know it all.

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tytytee

Mar-24-14 6:38 AM

concernedmom - You should be directing your frustration toward busmom. She brought this on herself. Busmom started this by going after Jimbo, not the other way around. And please, stop being offended when someone dares to challenge anything that remotely resembles your life. You're offended. Boo-hoo...

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Concernedmother

Mar-24-14 3:11 AM

Jimbo; I take extreme offense fo your last comment. I am a stay at home mom and my job is more important than yours any day of the week bc i raise children, im shaping young lives, trying to raise responsible children that have a moral compass (something that you obviously lack). Just because I don't punch a clock doesn't mean I don't work for a living nor does it mean I don't deserve to have an opinion. Are you saying every mother that works in the home doesn't deserve to have their voice be heard regarding this issue? You may be an expert in gas but I am in expert in family and community. It is my social obligation to speak against a project like this and you best believe that voice WILL NOT be quieted or bullied by someone like you.

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JimboBrowntown

Mar-24-14 2:19 AM

Busmom - (housewife)(doesn't do anything for a living) I'm sure you have a lot of expertise on the oil and gas industry. Just keep doing nothing with your life and let people with some intelligence make the important decisions that will effect you. If we left things up to you you'd make a bigger mess of your life then it already is.

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busmom

Mar-23-14 10:14 PM

Jimbo & Cruiser...You're idiots on this topic. Go hide under a shale formation! And let someone shove chemicals down your throat at high power speeds. Then we won't have to listen to your uneducated nonsense on the gas industry topic!

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RobStruharikIII

Mar-23-14 3:06 PM

CoalMaster, you been pretty confrontational telling me that I don't have a site plan, don't have my facts straight, I am fabricating, and in your words I am screaming "the sky is falling!!!". I am only bringing public records and facts to the conversation from submitted paperwork and putting my name behind every post. The conversation at hand is not about this project or myself, but as a community do we have our ducks in a row before we experience commercial development? I have been going to council for the last 12 months and continually asking for Commercial Building Guidelines for new construction. Especially if it involves Tax Increment Financing.

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RobStruharikIII

Mar-23-14 2:51 PM

Correction to the last post -Jeff Stoy called it a "hotel".

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RobStruharikIII

Mar-23-14 2:46 PM

IJeff Stoy presented the plan to council. During the meeting as he was sitting down it was asked what chain the hotel was. His response was that "It would be a privately owned motel allowing oil & gas workers. They can spend just the night, a week or six months if they need to." Those were his words not mine. Most other communities,such as Canfield, have guidelines for hotels and motels not allowing occupants to spend more than 30 consecutive days. We don't have a single guideline for hotel/motel operation. Please compare Columbiana on ****amLegal**** and Canfield on ****conwaygreene****. The point is that Dick Simpson whom is on council and planning commission brought up a point that it can be painted green with purple polka dots and he wouldn't care. I hope it is a beautifully built private hotel. The 51 rooms of the private Dutch Haus look very nice. Then compare their parking area and spaces to the proposed project when you overlay it on the Mahoning GIS? Guideli

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RobStruharikIII

Mar-23-14 2:44 PM

IJeff Stoy presented the plan to council. During the meeting as he was sitting down it was asked what chain the hotel was. His response was that "It would be a privately owned motel allowing oil & gas workers. They can spend just the night, a week or six months if they need to." Those were his words not mine. Most other communities,such as Canfield, have guidelines for hotels and motels not allowing occupants to spend more than 30 consecutive days. We don't have a single guideline for hotel/motel operation. Please compare Columbiana on ****amLegal**** and Canfield on ****conwaygreene****. The point is that Dick Simpson whom is on council and planning commission brought up a point that it can be painted green with purple polka dots and he wouldn't care. I hope it is a beautifully built private hotel. The 51 rooms of the private Dutch Haus look very nice. Then compare their parking area and spaces to the proposed project when you overlay it on the Mahoning GIS? Guideli

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coalmaster

Mar-23-14 1:02 PM

Sorry I was not in the area to attend your meeting Saturday morning Mr. Struharik III. Thank you though for the invitation. I did see Columbiana’s ordinance 1260.35 defining the difference between a hotel and motel. I also saw the concept drawing, and that drawing did not look to match the definition of a motel or the other rumors that are trying to be hung on this proposed project. How do we know this project is not associated with Hampton Inn, Comfort Inn or a Marriott chain bringing this hotel to Columbiana? It seems to me you are drawing your conclusions not from fact, but from fabrications.

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Concernedmother

Mar-22-14 3:07 PM

JimboBrowntown, The problem is it is not either a hotel or motel but a "man camp." Please do a little research online of what that entails and other small towns that have allowed them and you too would be in opposition.

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JimboBrowntown

Mar-22-14 12:58 PM

I'm in favor of building the hotel/motel or whatever anyone wants to call it. We should be welcoming the oil/gas industry with open arms and doing anything we can to make their jobs easier. That lakefront area is a disaster right now anyway, it can only improve.

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tytytee

Mar-21-14 7:50 PM

Cruiser:

You make a good point. The current condition of Lake Front is deplorable. However, I think council would be hasty to approve a "motel". Lake Front will be developed at some point with or without the "motel". IMO, council should wait until a better option comes along. And a better option will come along. That is prime real estate.

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Concernedmother

Mar-21-14 3:29 PM

Cruiser, I am not opposed to commercial development but am concerned about an 88 bed single story motel. I would welcome a nicely built hotel such as a Hampton. But a man camp used soley for the purpose to house oil and gas workers does concern me. I mentioned nothing about the commercial buildings they proposed on the rt 164 side.

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Cruiser

Mar-21-14 2:51 PM

These wells could last 20-30 years also concerned mother if you are worried about vacant buildings have you seen what the current lakefront (vacant building) has looked like recently? I would say anything would be an improvement over its current condition.

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RobStruharikIII

Mar-21-14 10:48 AM

I would like to first say, I am for the oil and gas drilling and the local jobs it can bring to our community. However, I do know we are being mislead by Columbiana City Council, its Manager Lance Willard, Jeff Stoy and Mark Hutson. This is a privately held motel, not hotel (according to the city's zoning definition). Once sewer is brought to this property the ability to add more temporary housing can be easily accommodated. The housed residents will will come and go around the clock. Our residents need to be informed and so a meeting will be held at the Columbiana Library tomorrow at 9:00am to explain why our city council voted unanimously the way they did and why council is selectively supporting this project. Specifically why councilman Dick Simpson motioned "Approve the Concept", Lowell Schloneger second it, when they should have both abstained from voting.

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RobStruharikIII

Mar-21-14 10:47 AM

CoalMaster, didn't happen to catch your name. send me your email address and I will be happy to send you the plans they had at the meeting or you can request a copy for yourself from the city offices. You all should spend more time at council meetings than believing every word you read in the paper. I am in contractual agreements with Mark Hutson and Earl Corey. I have election records of donations etc. from the board of elections. I have every base covered including home plate. I never screamed anything or raised my voice, I only told Mark Hutson "Mark, are full of ____". But, I am personally inviting you to come to the Columbiana Library at 9am tomorrow to see the public records.

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coalmaster

Mar-21-14 10:40 AM

In the article I read the lawyer said this was an 88 room HOTEL, at no time was it described as a motel except by Struharik's. How can they make this statement when the plans have not been presented yet. You would think a developer like Struharik would refrain from making such comments until he actually saw the project plans. In past articles in the Morning Journal hotel establishments have commented on how hard working and easy to deal with the gas and oil workers are. It sounds to me like another developer wished he would have thought of this project first. Why don't we wait until we see the plans before screaming "The sky is falling, The sky is falling!!"

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Concernedmother

Mar-21-14 9:41 AM

The real issue that is disguised in this article is the fact that our community is allowing the building of a single story motel that is geared toward men that work in the gas and oil industry. As a mother of two young children who just recently moved into Columbiana, I am concerned for the direction our small town is taking. We need to be more protective of what we are allowing to be brought into our small town. I agree with he above statement that once big oil is done with our town what will come of this motel? A vacant building left to be an eye sore? This is also an issue of safety. This is not a hotel that you can walk in the front door and rent a room for a night. This is an extended stay man camp for gas and oil workers to stay in. I hope our town can look at the long term affect and not be short sighted. Columbiana is headed in such a good direction this would be a step backwards. We dont have to worry about how this will improve our schools because families will leave

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STofit

Mar-21-14 8:29 AM

While I am no rocket scientist, I realize the current jobs with the drilling industry are temporary. Once the drilling is finished and the pipelines in place who will room in this "hotel". The drilling can't go on forever, it is already at the point that the jobs are drying up in western PA. I noticed yesterday one of the temporary motorhome parks set up along route 51 has a bunch of vacant spots. With the Holiday Inn in Salem I can see a real glut on hotel rooms coming.

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tytytee

Mar-21-14 7:28 AM

say? - sorry, ran out of room :)

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tytytee

Mar-21-14 7:26 AM

Hudson said, - "I think the persons behind this project are not about to default on anything. Can I assure you of that? I wish I could. Nobody thought that would happen with Firestone Farms but I guess when I look at this I think the funding is in place for the cost of this improvement," - if this is the case then let the developer pony up the dough to fund the infrastructure. Is Columbiana's memory so short that they forgot the city funded infrastructure at Firestone? How'd that work out for the city? Sure this project is commercial but so what. Commercial can fail just as easily. This entire premiss is based on fraking. The democrats are no fan of fraking. Imagine Clinton taking office after Obama. How does this affect fraking you ask? Look what Obama has done to coal. Clinton or any other dem will do all they can to shut down fraking too. Not to mention this project is for a one story motel. Take a ride up and down Rt. 7. one story motels are thing of beauty, wouldn't you

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